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Tuesday, December 13, 2016
Friday, December 6, 2013
SA Henry Rybka AND SA Don Lawton walk the limo at Love Field 11/22/63
FILM CLIP AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS VIDEO- THE ONLY KNOWN VIDEO OF BILL GREER SPEAKING:
Friday, March 1, 2013
Lawton AND Rybka walked the limo at Love Field
Further confirmation from an unlikely source: DVP
"To further illustrate the fact that there were most certainly at least two Secret Service agents walking along the right-hand side of the President's car and the SS follow-up car just as the motorcade began to roll at Love Field, as the Dillard photo seems to also indicate, here's a short film clip (which I've looped a few times in a row) taken from a position on the left-hand side of the cars as the motorcade began to move out. This clip was extracted from a 1963 WBAP-TV special called "President Kennedy In Texas".
The above motion picture clip and the two still images taken from that film clearly show two different Secret Service agents walking next to the cars, rather than just the one "shrugging" agent that can be seen just a few seconds later in the WFAA-TV videotape footage.
Therefore, one of those two agents must have peeled off and stopped walking beside the cars within just seconds of the above film being shot.
In the above film footage, there's an agent (not wearing sunglasses) right next to JFK's car door. That same agent can also be seen for several seconds in the other film clip I presented earlier. Unfortunately, the man who is probably the "shrugging" SS agent (Don Lawton, who is wearing sunglasses in the WFAA footage) is not visible in the last clip above, but an agent wearing sunglasses (probably Rybka), who appears to be older than "shrugging man", is clearly seen in that footage and in the still photo from that film shown above. And if it is indeed Rybka, he is located just exactly where he said he was positioned in his official report (quoted below):
"I [proceeded] to the follow-up car 679-X and stationed myself at the right front fender of 679-X and the rear of 100-X. There I stopped everyone from going in between the cars. Once the motorcade began to move, I moved along with it, until the motorcade picked up speed." -- Henry Rybka [Via CE2554]
David Von Pein
March 2012"
PLEASE SEE THE FOLLOWING FOR ALOT MORE:
http://henryrybkadonlawtonjfksecretservice.blogspot.com/
"To further illustrate the fact that there were most certainly at least two Secret Service agents walking along the right-hand side of the President's car and the SS follow-up car just as the motorcade began to roll at Love Field, as the Dillard photo seems to also indicate, here's a short film clip (which I've looped a few times in a row) taken from a position on the left-hand side of the cars as the motorcade began to move out. This clip was extracted from a 1963 WBAP-TV special called "President Kennedy In Texas".
The above motion picture clip and the two still images taken from that film clearly show two different Secret Service agents walking next to the cars, rather than just the one "shrugging" agent that can be seen just a few seconds later in the WFAA-TV videotape footage.
Therefore, one of those two agents must have peeled off and stopped walking beside the cars within just seconds of the above film being shot.
In the above film footage, there's an agent (not wearing sunglasses) right next to JFK's car door. That same agent can also be seen for several seconds in the other film clip I presented earlier. Unfortunately, the man who is probably the "shrugging" SS agent (Don Lawton, who is wearing sunglasses in the WFAA footage) is not visible in the last clip above, but an agent wearing sunglasses (probably Rybka), who appears to be older than "shrugging man", is clearly seen in that footage and in the still photo from that film shown above. And if it is indeed Rybka, he is located just exactly where he said he was positioned in his official report (quoted below):
"I [proceeded] to the follow-up car 679-X and stationed myself at the right front fender of 679-X and the rear of 100-X. There I stopped everyone from going in between the cars. Once the motorcade began to move, I moved along with it, until the motorcade picked up speed." -- Henry Rybka [Via CE2554]
David Von Pein
March 2012"
PLEASE SEE THE FOLLOWING FOR ALOT MORE:
http://henryrybkadonlawtonjfksecretservice.blogspot.com/
Tuesday, November 13, 2012
A You Tube subscriber debunks Blaine in an interesting way
A You Tube subscriber debunks Blaine in an interesting way
{blankdogman wrote-
Thank you Vince,
just so you know, I don't trust Jer at all.
His alleged decision to put men on the back in Tampa only to save them the leg work of running to the limo everytime it stopped & now an actual witness to Roberts' order to pull the men off the back? Garbage.
This is what I'm after, visual confirmation that refutes part of the myth.
So,
the motorcade section in Tampa had agents on the back the entire time? You haven't seen a single image from that first part with no agents on the back?
I need to be clear on this point thank you.
Of course, I understand how crouching like that is a temporary relief for the legs but the images from Tampa tell us it was a full time position, far more uncomfortable than standing, indeed far more work & totally unatural.
Hill was on the back in Dallas for a few minutes tops & he's already crouching for relief?
I don't believe JFK ordered men off the back either(thanks to your important research) but I do think he may of said something in Tampa that resulted in those two on the back laying low.
This event I feel was used later by Rowley to pass the buck.
The idea here is, after a complaint, Roberts had the men remain on the back but more out of sight for JFK's "benefit".
Roberts did not take them off the back at all, he lied about that to help Rowley.
You have shown one image from Tampa where we see Lawton & his colleague standing, in the rest they are crouching. So the odds are they crouched most of the way.
This is observed in no other motorcade, in fact do you have one single image from another trip that caught men crouching? It should be a rare event as you said, temporary.
In Tampa it was the norm & there must be a reason for it.
Whilst crouching they are at least giving the appearance of being less conspicious to JFK. That's who they are doing it for IMO no one else. That was not from an order to stay off the back from now on. That was/is an invention but it may have had a root in an actual event. The best lies usually do.
{blankdogman wrote-
Thank you Vince,
just so you know, I don't trust Jer at all.
His alleged decision to put men on the back in Tampa only to save them the leg work of running to the limo everytime it stopped & now an actual witness to Roberts' order to pull the men off the back? Garbage.
This is what I'm after, visual confirmation that refutes part of the myth.
So,
the motorcade section in Tampa had agents on the back the entire time? You haven't seen a single image from that first part with no agents on the back?
I need to be clear on this point thank you.
Of course, I understand how crouching like that is a temporary relief for the legs but the images from Tampa tell us it was a full time position, far more uncomfortable than standing, indeed far more work & totally unatural.
Hill was on the back in Dallas for a few minutes tops & he's already crouching for relief?
I don't believe JFK ordered men off the back either(thanks to your important research) but I do think he may of said something in Tampa that resulted in those two on the back laying low.
This event I feel was used later by Rowley to pass the buck.
The idea here is, after a complaint, Roberts had the men remain on the back but more out of sight for JFK's "benefit".
Roberts did not take them off the back at all, he lied about that to help Rowley.
You have shown one image from Tampa where we see Lawton & his colleague standing, in the rest they are crouching. So the odds are they crouched most of the way.
This is observed in no other motorcade, in fact do you have one single image from another trip that caught men crouching? It should be a rare event as you said, temporary.
In Tampa it was the norm & there must be a reason for it.
Whilst crouching they are at least giving the appearance of being less conspicious to JFK. That's who they are doing it for IMO no one else. That was not from an order to stay off the back from now on. That was/is an invention but it may have had a root in an actual event. The best lies usually do.
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Thursday, September 20, 2012
David Lifton comments on the Secret Service stand down issue
David Lifton comments on the Secret Service stand down issue
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17779
Vince,
You're doing a fine job. And you are correct--it doesn't matter which agent it was who "waved away" the agent clearly intending to board the JFK limousine as it left Love Field.
The body language in that event speaks for itself; and I remember being quite amazed when I was first shown it back in 1985.
Moreover, in view of the numerous people and media institutions who believed it was Rybka (and not Lawton), and the massive amount of research you have done, and the unique data base you have created, no apology is required.
When what happened at Love Field, is joined with the non-reaction of the White House Detail in Dealey Plaza, and the plentiful evidence of a car stop (or a serious "car slowdown," for those who cannot accept the idea that the Z film was altered) in Dealey Plaza, this body of evidence speaks for itself.
Let me remind anyone reading this thread what Gen. Godfrey McHugh, JFK's Air Force aide, told me when we spoke (at length) in November, 1967. I had called him mainly to inquire about events at Bethesda, but then the conversation veered over to the arrival at Love Field. McHugh said that after Air Force One arrived, and when the motorcade was forming, he was specifically requested NOT to ride in the front seat of the JFK limo, as was often his practice. I pressed him as hard as I could as to exactly who made the request, and he would not name the person--but from other remarks he made, I infer that it was Kenneth O'Donnell, who (himself) was passing on a Secret Service request. For the record: I don't think O'Donnell acted in bad faith; I DO think he may have been used to pass on an instruction from some Secret Service person, who didn't want to be directly "exposed" by personally making such a request.
My point: The direct request to McHugh, not to ride in the limo, when joined with the filmed behavior of shift leader Roberts, "waving away" another agent who was trying to hop aboard, and whose presence was clearly not desired, speaks for itself.
One final point: I want to congratulate you on another "first": I think your observation that Rybka's report (25 H 787) is undated--I stress UNdated--and that it was not written on Treasury Department stationary, AND that it did not bear the counter-signature of SAIC Gerlad Behn--all of this may turn out to be significant as more information becomes available. (Perhaps you can do a review of ALL the reports and let us know just how many SS reports are NOT on official stationary, and/or do NOT bear Behn's counter-signature. Very interesting, and thanks for that rather sharp-eyed observation.
Back then (circa 1963-1964) there was no guarantee that this whole affair would not "blow" and that such matters (and as to the chain of responsibility, who was in charge, who was "covering up," etc.) might --at that time--have had some legal significance.
Again, many thanks for all your hard work.
DSL
6/2/11 4:50 PM PDT
Los Angeles, CA
..
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17779
Vince,
You're doing a fine job. And you are correct--it doesn't matter which agent it was who "waved away" the agent clearly intending to board the JFK limousine as it left Love Field.
The body language in that event speaks for itself; and I remember being quite amazed when I was first shown it back in 1985.
Moreover, in view of the numerous people and media institutions who believed it was Rybka (and not Lawton), and the massive amount of research you have done, and the unique data base you have created, no apology is required.
When what happened at Love Field, is joined with the non-reaction of the White House Detail in Dealey Plaza, and the plentiful evidence of a car stop (or a serious "car slowdown," for those who cannot accept the idea that the Z film was altered) in Dealey Plaza, this body of evidence speaks for itself.
Let me remind anyone reading this thread what Gen. Godfrey McHugh, JFK's Air Force aide, told me when we spoke (at length) in November, 1967. I had called him mainly to inquire about events at Bethesda, but then the conversation veered over to the arrival at Love Field. McHugh said that after Air Force One arrived, and when the motorcade was forming, he was specifically requested NOT to ride in the front seat of the JFK limo, as was often his practice. I pressed him as hard as I could as to exactly who made the request, and he would not name the person--but from other remarks he made, I infer that it was Kenneth O'Donnell, who (himself) was passing on a Secret Service request. For the record: I don't think O'Donnell acted in bad faith; I DO think he may have been used to pass on an instruction from some Secret Service person, who didn't want to be directly "exposed" by personally making such a request.
My point: The direct request to McHugh, not to ride in the limo, when joined with the filmed behavior of shift leader Roberts, "waving away" another agent who was trying to hop aboard, and whose presence was clearly not desired, speaks for itself.
One final point: I want to congratulate you on another "first": I think your observation that Rybka's report (25 H 787) is undated--I stress UNdated--and that it was not written on Treasury Department stationary, AND that it did not bear the counter-signature of SAIC Gerlad Behn--all of this may turn out to be significant as more information becomes available. (Perhaps you can do a review of ALL the reports and let us know just how many SS reports are NOT on official stationary, and/or do NOT bear Behn's counter-signature. Very interesting, and thanks for that rather sharp-eyed observation.
Back then (circa 1963-1964) there was no guarantee that this whole affair would not "blow" and that such matters (and as to the chain of responsibility, who was in charge, who was "covering up," etc.) might --at that time--have had some legal significance.
Again, many thanks for all your hard work.
DSL
6/2/11 4:50 PM PDT
Los Angeles, CA
..
Saturday, November 12, 2011
Donald Lawton's nephew responds :O)
Hello, my name is Richard J. Lawton. My father was Howard E. Lawton Donald J. Lawton is my uncle.
Do you know how I can Contact him? Is he still Alive?
I have not heard from him in many many years. My dad and he I am told had a falling out. They did not communicate much if at all.
My Dad passed a couple of years ago. I just wanted Uncle Don to know he is not alone.
Please if you can let him know I have been thinking of him.
If you have any photos especially personal ones I do .not have any. only ones from books that have been released over the years
To help you or reassure you I am who I say I am... Don had a small white poodle in the early 70's. He joined the Marines .... Under age in Ww2 just after my Dad.
His sisters name was Ella.
I may be reached by email for now. I live just north of Seattle in Everett, Wa
Richard J . Lawton
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Thanks so much. He grew up in Newport, RI. Parents were Edward and I think Edna. They both died when I was very young. When both Don and my Dad were born they lived in a 3 third floor walk up diagonally behind the Navy Y in Newport . His father was a Cabinet maker that made and installed cabnets on WW1 and WW2 submarines at Goat Island in Newport .
My Grandfathers family came to the USA in the early 1600's very early. My grandmother was I think from Gremany. But not sure.
The last time I saw Don was when he was in Newport visiting his sister Ella. It was around the time I graduated High school .
Don went into the Marines just after my Dad who was sent to Guam early on. I think Don was 16 or 17. I remember my Dad saying he was under age and wanted to join .
He was going to Rodgers Highschool at the time also in Newport.
I think I remember he was living in Annadale, VA. or that was the address of the last card I received.
From what I read of Dons light hearted nature he was very much like my Father Howard Lawton. They both looked a lot alike.
If you think it will help in knowing background data.... Look at the web site RealmofLawton.com it details a rather complete history of the Lawton family from 1066 in England to almost present Day.
Thanks for the info.
Richard James Lawton
Do you know how I can Contact him? Is he still Alive?
I have not heard from him in many many years. My dad and he I am told had a falling out. They did not communicate much if at all.
My Dad passed a couple of years ago. I just wanted Uncle Don to know he is not alone.
Please if you can let him know I have been thinking of him.
If you have any photos especially personal ones I do .not have any. only ones from books that have been released over the years
To help you or reassure you I am who I say I am... Don had a small white poodle in the early 70's. He joined the Marines .... Under age in Ww2 just after my Dad.
His sisters name was Ella.
I may be reached by email for now. I live just north of Seattle in Everett, Wa
Richard J . Lawton
--------------
Thanks so much. He grew up in Newport, RI. Parents were Edward and I think Edna. They both died when I was very young. When both Don and my Dad were born they lived in a 3 third floor walk up diagonally behind the Navy Y in Newport . His father was a Cabinet maker that made and installed cabnets on WW1 and WW2 submarines at Goat Island in Newport .
My Grandfathers family came to the USA in the early 1600's very early. My grandmother was I think from Gremany. But not sure.
The last time I saw Don was when he was in Newport visiting his sister Ella. It was around the time I graduated High school .
Don went into the Marines just after my Dad who was sent to Guam early on. I think Don was 16 or 17. I remember my Dad saying he was under age and wanted to join .
He was going to Rodgers Highschool at the time also in Newport.
I think I remember he was living in Annadale, VA. or that was the address of the last card I received.
From what I read of Dons light hearted nature he was very much like my Father Howard Lawton. They both looked a lot alike.
If you think it will help in knowing background data.... Look at the web site RealmofLawton.com it details a rather complete history of the Lawton family from 1066 in England to almost present Day.
Thanks for the info.
Richard James Lawton
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